Legislature(2007 - 2008)CAPITOL 17

03/27/2008 01:00 PM House TRANSPORTATION


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
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= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
+= HB 294 MARINE TRANSPORTATION: BOARD & DIVISION TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 294(TRA) Out of Committee
+= HB 106 REPEAL FEES FOR STUDDED TIRES TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+= HB 314 G.O. BONDS FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 322 TRANSPORTATION FUND TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
HB 314-G.O. BONDS FOR TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:45:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN announced  that the final order  of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL NO. 314, "An  Act providing for and relating to the                                                               
issuance of  general obligation bonds  for the purpose  of paying                                                               
the cost of  state transportation projects; and  providing for an                                                               
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Chair Johansen passed the gavel to Vice Chair Neuman.]                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  RICHARDS,   Deputy  Commissioner  of  Highways   &  Public                                                               
Facilities,   Office   of   the   Commissioner,   Department   of                                                               
Transportation &  Public Facilities (DOT&PF), explained  that the                                                               
primary  goals of  the general  obligation bond  projects are  to                                                               
increase   safety,    promote   economic    development,   reduce                                                               
congestion, and preserve existing  assets.  He directed attention                                                               
to the  Powerpoint entitled "Alaska Department  of Transportation                                                               
& Public Facilities-GO  Bond Projects-".  He  described the first                                                               
project listed,  slide 2,  "Dowling Road:  Old Seward  Highway to                                                               
Minnesota  Drive", which  is a  $22.1  million congestion  relief                                                               
project.    He  explained  that  this  project  is  part  of  the                                                               
Anchorage  Municipality's  long  range transportation  plan,  the                                                               
Alaska  State Transportation  Improvement  Plan  (STIP), and  the                                                               
Anchorage  Metropolitan  Area  Transportation  Solutions  (AMATS)                                                               
transportation improvement  plan.   He reported that  the funding                                                               
will come from federal, state, and local funds.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  referred to slide  3 which reflects the  two phases                                                               
of  the project.   He  allowed that  the general  obligation bond                                                               
will pay for  Phase 1.  He further explained  the project and the                                                               
ways it will relieve congestion.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:48:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  mentioned that  no one has  discussed this                                                               
project with him even though it is in his district.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR NEUMAN made the same observation.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS asked  if the committee would prefer  an overview of                                                               
HB 314, instead of a project specific review.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR NEUMAN agreed.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:49:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said that this  bill identifies $121.1  million for                                                               
DOT&PF transportation  projects, $10 million for  a Department of                                                               
Commerce, Community, and Economic  Development (DCCED) project to                                                               
expand the Port of Anchorage,  and $8.9 million to the Department                                                               
of Natural Resources  (DNR) to fund the South  Denali Access Road                                                               
Design and Construction project.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:50:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[Vice Chair Neuman returned the gavel to Chair Johansen.]                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS explained  that this  bill is  a bond  package that                                                               
will be  presented to the  voters this fall.   He noted  that the                                                               
goal of the bill is to  allow the voters to approve the projects,                                                               
and that  the capital budget will  not be increased by  the total                                                               
bill package request of $140 million.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  posed  that  if  a  specific  project  is                                                               
removed from the bill and put  into the capital budget, would the                                                               
bond request be reduced by that amount.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  replied that these  projects are only on  this bond                                                               
list, and not in the capital  budget.  He offered his belief that                                                               
the intent  is to  separate these projects  into a  bond proposal                                                               
and not to include them in the capital budget.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  asked  to  clarify  that  if  a  specific                                                               
project  in  this bill  is  dropped,  would  the bond  amount  be                                                               
reduced by that amount.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  offered  his  belief  that  the  bill  is  project                                                               
specific.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  wanted to clarify  how the money  would be                                                               
allocated if the projects change.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  expressed his  belief  that  the bill  is  project                                                               
specific.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:53:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked if the  money would come from FY 2008                                                               
funds.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  SLAGLE,  Director,  Division of  Administrative  Services,                                                               
Department of  Transportation & Public Facilities  (DOT&PF), said                                                               
that the  bond proceeds would  be put into a  transportation fund                                                               
entitled "2008 transportation project  fund."  She clarified that                                                               
the  fund is  from the  bond proceeds.   She  explained that  the                                                               
process will be  to ask the voters for approval,  offer the bonds                                                               
for  sale,  place  the proceeds  into  the  "2008  transportation                                                               
project fund," and allocate the money for the specific projects.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHANSEN   clarified  that   the  fund  is   titled  "2008                                                               
transportation project fund."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE agreed.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:57:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR JOHANSEN offered his belief that  having a date in the fund                                                               
title creates confusion.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  asked  how these  specific  projects  are                                                               
selected.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS  explained  that  DOT&PF   looks  at  the  list  of                                                               
statewide projects that reflect  the four primary goals mentioned                                                               
earlier,  and  presents  to  the  governor's  office  a  list  of                                                               
projects that  can be  accomplished with  either bond  or general                                                               
fund proceeds in a timely and cost effective manner.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:58:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN  expressed his  belief  that  some of  the                                                               
projects are specific  and some are very general, and  that it is                                                               
unclear what is proposed for the general projects.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said that there  are specific projects for  each of                                                               
those broad categories.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DOOGAN replied  that  this is  not  clear in  the                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS responded  that this information is  not included in                                                               
the presentation, but that he will supply it.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:00:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON  asked if  it is  possible to  change these                                                               
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  replied that the  legislature has the  authority to                                                               
present projects.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON asked if there is another list.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS replied  that there is a substantial  list of needed                                                               
projects and he will make the list available.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SALMON expressed  his belief  that the  list only                                                               
reflects a few select projects in a small area of the state.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:01:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHANSEN  asked  if  there  is  a  larger  list  that  was                                                               
submitted to the governor.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS replied that there is a larger list.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHANSEN said  that the  committee would  like to  see the                                                               
list.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN asked if the  projects can be changed after                                                               
the bond vote.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  said that the voters  will be voting on  a specific                                                               
list of projects, so there can not be a change after that vote.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:03:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN related  his understanding  that once  the                                                               
voters have voted on a project, it cannot be changed.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. SLAGLE explained that once  the legislature passes a bill for                                                               
general obligation bonds,  the governor can only  veto the entire                                                               
bill, but  not any of the  specific projects.  She  reported that                                                               
after the  vote by the people,  there is not any  option for veto                                                               
or change.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  asked for the  road mile specifics  of the                                                               
"Parks  Highway: Weight  Restriction  Elimination"  project.   He                                                               
asked   if  DOT&PF   has   followed  its   list   of  goals   for                                                               
prioritizations when making these project recommendations.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS said  that the Parks Highway  project includes miles                                                               
72-90.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:06:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN repeated  his  earlier question  regarding                                                               
the prioritization for project recommendations.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS responded that these were followed.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  asked  how  these are  compared  to  each                                                               
other.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  JOHANSEN remarked  that  the  "Southeast Alaska:  Pavement                                                               
Rehabilitation" project seems to be  an odd project for a general                                                               
obligation bond.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS replied  that preservation  is one  of the  primary                                                               
criteria for  project selection.   He explained  that maintenance                                                               
is much cheaper than reconstruction.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:09:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN  expressed his belief that  the traditional                                                               
use  of general  obligation bonds  is to  build new  projects, so                                                               
this project does  not meet that criteria.  He  asked if there is                                                               
a  problem with  regional balancing  in the  bill, and  that this                                                               
project helps to address that.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS  replied that  the department  looks at  the project                                                               
needs  in  SE  Alaska  and  what can  be  accomplished  with  the                                                               
funding, while allowing for some geographical distribution.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DOOGAN asked if the  bill project selections would                                                               
have been different without geographical  distribution.  He posed                                                               
that new projects might have  been proposed for the bond funding,                                                               
while the maintenance  projects could have been  paid for through                                                               
another funding source.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHARDS explained that the  selection process factors in the                                                               
public-expressed needs,  and includes  projects that  rely solely                                                               
on a STIP  that is not available  in the near term.   He reported                                                               
that utilizing bond  funds allows the department  to accomplish a                                                               
lot  of the  work in  a more  expeditious manner  than having  to                                                               
follow  the federal  regulations.   The  department identifies  a                                                               
list and  the governor's office  selects the projects  to include                                                               
in the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SALMON  asked why these projects  are not proposed                                                               
in the capital budget.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NEUMAN  observed that the state  will sell general                                                               
obligation bonds and  pay for them through the general  fund.  He                                                               
commented  that  he has  not  had  any representatives  from  the                                                               
DOT&PF ever  come to  his office  to talk with  him about  any of                                                               
these bills.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 314 was held over.]                                                                                                         

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